Monday, May 21, 2012

Internet Mormon Phase = Finished - Well, Mostly



I had a wonderful time over the weekend. Susan and I got to go down to Southern Virginia University for the Mormon Scholars in the Humanities conference. 

Got to meet old friends, make some new ones, and have a great time talking about lots of different things. It stands out in stark contrast to some of the other Mormon things that are going on in my life these days. In short, about a month ago because of some of Facebook's new features I got added to a few new Facebook groups by some well-meaning friends, namely Mormon Stories, Mo 2.0, and Feminist Mormon Housewives. 

After a few weeks, I decided to keep track of exactly what I had ended up discussing in those groups. Here's the list: 

1. Defending purchase of church historical sites. (We should be spending the money on the poor only!)
2. Blaming bad friends, clearly, not the kid who is acting out as a teenager. (Because the kid doesn't choose his friends.) 
3. Church still believes that gays choose to be that way. (It doesn't. Please update your preconceived notions of what the church teaches concerning homosexuality.)
4. Ignoring the institutional church is great and liberating. You get to make your own stuff up! (I, Carl, hate liberal protestants. I hate liberal protestant Mormons even more.)
5. The Book of Mormon teaches modalism. (..... Um. No. 1 Nephi 11 alone axes that idea.)
6. Mormons are an ethnicity. (Yes, because someone who just joined the church in Chile is clearly the same ethnicity as someone who is an 8th generation Mormon and has never set foot outside of Utah.) 
7. Joseph Smith had a manuscript he was reading from during the BoM translation. (Can you find a source for that?) 
8. Joseph didn't translate the current text of the Book of Mormon in 100 working days. (Can you find a source for that also? Can I make up my own sources for history too?!?)
9. Spaulding manuscript. (Really?) 
10. Compared Joseph Smith to John Edwards. (Right, because that's a fair comparison.)
11. Joseph Smith got the plates from a cave. (This one is sort of forgivable. According to some second hand reports decades after the fact Joseph and Oliver returned the plates to the Hill Cumorah when it opened up to admit them to a secret room. However, I don't think that means that Mormons think you could dig the hill up and find the secret room with all the records seen in the vision.) 
12. Defending Jon Krakauer as an actual historian. (He's not.)
13. The confusion over whether or not prophets always are 100% infallible. (Ugh. They're not infallible. Get over it.)
14. It is inappropriate for Roman Catholic priests to call out nuns on their "weapons-grade crazy" teachings. (The only person in the Feminist Mormon Housewives facebook group who would even dialogue about this issue was a lesbian episcopalian, who I'm pretty sure isn't as invested in Mormon issues as I am because, well, I'm actually a Mormon!) 
15. In order to be a feminist, you must be pro-gay marriage. (*sigh* I wasn't aware that was part of feminist orthodoxy.)
16. My love for non-members increased when I left the church! (Mormonism: You're doing it wrong.)
17. DNA disproves the Book of Mormon. (Only if you assume the hemispheric model, which the text itself does not support.)

In contrast, this weekend was incredible. Wonderful people. Intelligent conversation. Well-informed opinions. And people who had actually done their homework on Mormonism, Mormon history, and Mormon doctrine. I never had to resist the urge to tear my hair out. Here's another participant's blog post on it. 

I think the Mormon Stories/Feminist Mormon Housewives/Mo 2.0/etc. thing was a good phase for me. I've learned many things, and think I will be a better, more kind, more aware Mormon because I've spent time watching these people struggle with certain aspects of the church. A few weeks ago I was talking with a sister in my stake and I said something along the lines of "I feel that we, as an institution, have failed when people don't understand the gospel." Her response was something like, "I don't. Everybody has a responsibility to learn the gospel for themselves. It's not my fault they didn't do so." That overly callous response to some of these issues in the church jarred me, and though I agreed with most of what she said (after all we do have a personal responsibility to study the gospel) I vehemently disagree with the tone in which she said it (overly flippant and dismissive of people's real experiences and pain). 

So because I've been playing around in these different out-groups of Mormonism, I'm more careful about how I phrase things. I'm more sympathetic to those who leave the church (even though I clearly don't agree with them). I'm aware of how the culture around women's bodies and sexuality is quite unhealthy, etc. However, I think I've derived about all the light and truth that I can from these groups. It's negatively affecting my use of time (so much easier to argue on facebook than study French or write real papers), and I find it more often than not it leaves me more frustrated and angry than I ought to be on a daily basis because it's so much an echo chamber in there where the church can do no good, and believers like me are constantly marginalized or poked fun at. I looked through the entirety of the Mormon Stories and FMH Facebook groups and there wasn't a single positive thread on their first pages. Also, I've noticed that my comments have devolved into some pretty snarky and sarcastic one-liners. I'm not helping the situation either.

So I'm done. I'll probably occasionally look back at Feminist Mormon Housewives because some of their posts are pretty interesting (their series about marginalized people in the LDS culture, divorcees, children of single parents, etc., was fascinating and heartbreaking at the same time), and I'll probably still listen to the occasional Mormon Stories Podcast on my runs if there's an interview with someone I'm interested in listening to (a penguin could interview Teryl Givens and it would still be worth listening to), but I'm pretty much done with this phase, I think. This last month has just made that more apparent to me, and the contrast with this last weekend just sealed the deal. I'll stick to guest posting on the more academic and believing Mormon blogs, but that'll be about it. 

One of my friends from this weekend talked about how she thinks she will amount to not much in the church, because she's divorced. That's probably true, and it shouldn't be. Made me want to give her a hug. 

So all is not well in Zion. (It won't be all well until Jesus comes back, in my opinion.) 

But it's not as bad as most of these internet Mormons have made it out to be. 

And it's still Zion. 

P.S. Oh, and I'm now the gospel doctrine teacher in my ward. So I can now do a bit more to make sure the LDS Cult of False Expectations continues to die. That, more than anything else, will help these out-groups of Mormons by cutting off a good chunk of their membership before they even get to that stage. Because you shouldn't have to go to the internet to find people who will listen to you . . . you should be able to go to your local ward. 

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hooray!

I applaud your decision.

Much of the internet amounts to a quote my Dad used to say (probably paraphrased:)

"After all is said and done, more is said than done."

-Beth's husband

HCJ said...

You don't know me--we were neighbors of your parents in Russia--but I am a big fan of your family :) I think I found your blog through a link Xan put up. But whatever. I read it now from time to time.

This post struck a chord with me. I have been lurking in the background at fmh and looked at the Mormon Stories a bit over the last year as I've sought to sort through some of my own questions/concerns/struggles. At some point, I had my Dorothy and the Ruby Slippers epiphany that the answers I needed had been with me all along. I will still check in from time to time--fmh has some fascinating guest posts--but I burned out on the strident rhetoric and herd mentality. Anger is not faith promoting.

Your musings give me hope for my daughter who will embark on her grad school life in liberal arts in 2013. If there are others out there like you, she may be less lonely :)

grayacre said...

Well, I for one enjoyed your posts in the Mormon Stories group. I think you're right that these groups can be an echo chamber for the angry or dissatisfied. And Facebook can be an incredible waste of time.

That said, I do think your presence (educated and knowledgeable) lifted the group(s), and prevented some of the more extreme positions from gaining much traction. The Church has a lot of flaws/problems and while I myself am not very interested in fixing them, I am glad that others are willing to try.

Adam Blackwell said...

Carl, my friend, you misrepresent at least one of your arguments on Mormon Stories.

You wrote: "Joseph didn't translate the current text of the Book of Mormon in 100 working days. (Can you find a source for that also? Can I make up my own sources for history too?!?)"

If this is the debate you engaged in with me, you are seriously misrepresenting my point of view. I did not argue that Joseph Smith didn't write the Book of Mormon in 100 days. Rather, I argued that you didn't KNOW he did and that the evidence you trotted out to prove that he did proved nothing of the sort.

Not the same thing at all.

Aaron said...

Carl, I'm sad to see that you left the MoSto group.

I'm sure it's a challenge to be one of the few trying to absorb the echo in the chamber. Just the same, you will be missed for what you contributed. We've lost a little depth from one side of the swimming pool. :-)

On behalf of the other Facebook MoSto members: "You're welcome back anytime."

Anonymous said...

I'm glad we still have Ben Park!

Carl said...

HCJ, there are plenty of devout believing Mormons in graduate programs. Where is your daughter going to attend, and what will she be studying?

Grayacre,

I am willing to try, but think I can do so elsewhere than in the MoSto community. I'm glad that my presence was useful, but it was already too much of an echo chamber. I know my departure will simply let it continue on that way, but it is what it is. Was simply beginning to take up too much time in my life.

Adam,

I can't remember really if it was you or somebody else I was discussing this with. It very well could have been.

And yes, I don't have 100% metaphysical certitude that Joseph Translated the Book of Mormon in 100 days . . . because I'm not sure I'm in the Matrix or not. :P

But the historical record indicates that there was no work on the translation that we now have as the Book of Mormon until April 1829 and continued until June. By the end of the summer months, the guys at the Grandin Printing Shop place were already working on the printer's manuscript.

To assert anything else is to go against the historical record, and to begin to go all conspiracy theory (i.e., Joseph was secretly writing it for years ahead of time, or he was working on it late at night when nobody was around, or whatever), none of which is supported by a shred of evidence. And that's why I snarkily said "can I make up my own sources for history?!?"

Aaron, I know I'm welcome back. That was never the issue, and I know that the people who called me stupid (not in so many words) aren't representative of the kind people I've met there. The kindness of the people was never the reason I left.

Anonymous,

I also am glad that Ben Park is sticking around, but I never got the impression he was involved as I was. Probably because he doesn't waste as much time on the internet as I do.

HCJ said...

Carl: My daughter is still applying, but her most likely option will be at Penn in political philosophy--an MA/Ph.D program. University of Chicago is an option (another MA/Ph.D) and if those programs don't fit, she may do a master's at Georgetown in American gov. before a Ph.D in political theory. There are several think tank internships/fellowships she has applied for in D.C. and N.Y. As a mom, it can be hard *not* to worry about your single, returned missionary daughter going to grad school, especially outside the traditionally well-known LDS YSA communities in Boston and D.C. But she's a capable student and faithful LDS--I trust her. I still don't want her to be lonely!

Deila Taylor said...

I loved your list here. I was looking for information on how to become an institute teacher and landed here. I have always been a bit uncomfortable with FMH group, and luckily have not spent much time there. I'm no stereotype but I am a firm believer in this gospel, just finished Rough Stone Rolling, and I am glad to say, it did not shake my faith. Love your thoughts. Oh, and Gospel Doctrine -- that was my fav calling. you are lucky.

Carl said...

HCJ, you'll have to let me know where she ends up going.

Deila, best of luck on becoming an institute teacher. You are on the front lines of killing the LDS Cult of False Expectations, so I wish you the best of luck!

If it might help, some good overview books on church history and things are here in this blog entry of mine:

http://ifeellikeschrodingerscat.blogspot.com/2011/11/teaching-at-gtown-mormonism-new-world.html

If you'd like other recommendations, I'd be happy to give them.

Ben said...

Just read this post Carl. Good thoughts.